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Elisabeth Robson's avatar

Thank you Bill. I think we're inherently unsustainable. I think about the Easter Islanders, the ones who cut the last tree. They must have known that it would irrevocably change their lives, their culture, given their dependence on the wood for building their boats for fishing and their shelters and their religious rituals, and yet they cut it anyway. When I think about Easter Island I understand humanity's willingness to push it all the way to the end. Their religion was exemplified in large rock statues; ours by how much we consume and the size of our houses, yachts, etc. We will not stop until we are forced to, and then it will be entirely over.

Mark Bevis's avatar

Excellent as ever Bill, thankyou.

Strangely enough I only read Silent Spring last year, even though I read Catton's Overshoot and Limits to Growth many years ago. Elizabeth Kolbert's The Sixth Extinction an Unnatural History somehow seemed tame by comparison.

I think Silent Spring is not depressing because of the general slaughter of wildlife it depicts, but because humans claiming to be perfectly reasonable and rational beings can come up with deliberate untested ideas and implement them regardless of outcomes.

Regarding cultural imperatives that impose limits, some tribes did that, but it only takes one adjacent tribe to decide not to live within limits, and all the others some become overridden, driven out, absorbed or conquered.

This one did appear recently which is an interesting example of a culture trying to live within some kind of limits:

https://medium.com/bouncin-and-behavin-academy/the-ancient-civilization-that-set-its-cities-on-fire-every-80-years-e499653dfb4c

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