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Phil Shane's avatar

Yet another excellent account of the human predicament. Unfortunately, even higher education teaches the delusional concepts of growth and nonsense technological innovations. I think we still must try to teach eco-reality to young people and I try to, however what do you do when most teachers do not understand biophysical reality? On the other hand, collapse doesn’t have to mean Mad Max. It could provide opportunities for people and other species. The collapse of Rome was not a bad thing for Europe. Giving up gold rings, fast cars and leaf blowers anyone?

Elisabeth Robson's avatar

I don't know about socially, but I think H. sapiens has arguably been ecologically dysfunctional for much longer than 6000 years... after all, our species exterminated most of the megafauna on the Earth, part of the reason we shifted to agriculture in the first place, which then led to cities and "large civilizations" that have accelerated the destruction.

Some, like philosopher John Gray, think "sickness" is our human normal; a mistake of evolution that has had massive consequences for all living beings and natural communities on Earth.

As you say, there is no social movement that could accomplish a world-wide voluntary shift to a sane and sustainable way of living. As soon as one country decides to get sane, the other countries will invade to get the stuff that the one country "leaves in the ground." It has to happen all at once. The only thing that will do that is catastrophe... and I don't think there is any guarantee that the end result will be "sane" in any sense of the word we might use today from the perspective of liberal societies that (purport to) respect the rule of law and equality among men and women.

Interesting times ahead, for sure.

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