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Graham T's avatar

“Two realisations can act as beacons to light our way through this fog of mystification.

The first is that meaningful growth has ended, and that the economy is starting to shrink.

The second is that nobody, in any position of authority or influence, can possibly afford to admit that this is happening.” Economist Dr Tim Morgan

https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2026/01/30/318-the-surplus-energy-economy-part-one/

The central problem now is human psychology. We smile condescendingly at cults such as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Moonies, yet we live within a cult: the dominant global religious delusion of endless GDP growth. It is now a form of self-harm; yet questioning it is seen by the corporate mind as outrageous blasphemy.

It's hard to convince people to ditch cult beliefs, but we have to try. If nothing else, we have duty to document our collapse. This is the fight of our lives.

https://newptc75.medium.com/human-nature-and-the-climate-041b9273653e

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I have been looking at the mechanisms for population decline, and running some models (based on World3) and one notable feature is that the momentum of population is hard to turn around. A reduction in life expectancy, such as a 10 year reduction, actually has little effect for decades as it works through the existing populations.

The main population reduction effect comes from a reduction in births, and that mostly from a decision to not have children. Typically that is due to poverty (although can work either way), existential angst about bringing children into such a world, and anti-child attitudes and policies. In short, no answers that solve our problems of excess humans in time to divert from avcrisis, such as wars and famines.

There are other possibilities though, that you touch upon:

The most effective and fastest is a collapse in Western economies, specifically the American economy and the American Dollar. That could destroy the richest and worst consumers on the planet almost immediately, both American consumers and corporations, and massively reduce oil and gas consumption and production, especially highly polluting fracking and tar sands.

The Dollar collapse would wipe out many billionaires and millionaires around the World, and destroy the value of large agglomerations of wealth, such as national reserves. Many of the most polluting effects of Westernised economics would be greatly diminished, which is after all the real point.

Similarly is the collapse of the fossil fuel industries that feed us, and by turning fossils into food created this problem of 6 billion excess humans. That is, in fact, much closer than most people imagine. The net energy equation of 'net EROEI at the point of useful work' is quickly sliding towards zero, meaning we would actually need more and more gross production just to stand still. That isn't happening, and Hormuz just made it much worse, cutting off the high EROEI fuel from the markets. That alone will cut the food that feeds us, and that will cut the populations.

The ultimate Malthusian collapse is primarily through famine, and I think it is already underway later this year as the combination of Hormuz closure and 20% less diesel and 30% less fertiliser, along with a Super El Niño causing heatwaves, droughts and a weakened monsoon, will kill millions, particularly in the 'Hunger Months' from Xmas to early summer of 2027. And then worse and worse to follow.

The real test for humans will be their response to this entirely man-made crisis; understanding, acceptance and mitigation, or descent into further genocides and border wars. I have my own views on that. I hope I am proven wrong in the future.

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