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Mike Roberts's avatar

In answer to your last question, my guess is that there is zero chance of avoiding a hard reckoning with biophysical reality. Humans can't avoid reality. It's impossible. However, there is a hypothetical chance of humans choosing to ease the way down. I don't think that chance is much above zero.

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Elisabeth Robson's avatar

Zero (to answer your last question).

What I can't understand is why this isn't obvious to everyone?

I recently asked my community, once again, to consider degrowth. I asked this not as an attempt to "avoid a harsh reckoning with biophysical reality," which I think is impossible, but rather to help people and the community to prepare for leaner, rougher times ahead.

Unfortunately, even having a discussion about it is impossible (it seems). Almost no one is even willing to contemplate the idea, much less take any steps in that direction. Why is it that what Bill has laid out here is not visible, not understandable, not within the realm of possibility, for 99.99% of people today? It's so astonishing!

I'm curious: To the other commenters on this article, what is everyone's date for when collapse will be completely obvious to everyone because it's so bad? Yes, I agree predicting the future is both impossible and foolish, but we all have a date in mind despite that, don't we? Be honest :-) My guess for the date when collapse is obvious to everyone, even those most entrenched in human exceptionalism--yes, even economists!--is 2050.

But then there is a small part of me that thinks many people will fight to the very end to deny the obvious. So, maybe there never will be such a date. Humanity will end, or go back to 3-5 million, and all the while everyone will cling to the delusion that "we are too special for this to actually be happening."

In the meantime, I spent the day planting native wildflower and grass seeds, hoping a few pollinators survive our gauntlet of destruction.

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