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Frank Moone's avatar

Professor Rees: Once again you have offered a powerful diagnosis of scale, abstraction, and institutional drift, and I agree that large, energy-intensive societies reliably generate emergent outcomes that are alienating, ecologically destructive, and ultimately unstable. Where I hesitate is in the move from systemic dynamics to psychopathy or wetiko as explanatory causes. Large institutions do not require “pathological personalities” to behave in inhuman ways; abstraction, misaligned incentives, surplus energy, and scale beyond face-to-face accountability are sufficient. Individuals with low empathy and other psychotic traits may indeed be selectively advantaged within such systems, but the “pathology” (if we can call it that) lies in the form itself, not primarily in the psychology of those who rise within it. The danger of invoking wetiko or institutional psychosis is that it subtly moralizes what is, at bottom, a biophysical and systems-level predicament. Keeping that distinction clear preserves the force of your argument while avoiding the translation of a structural predicament into a moral or medical one.

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Professor Rees, I have been thinking a lot about the issues you discuss here. The problem is that “psychopathy”, whatever it is, is ill-defined, leaving all clinicians and/or mental health professionals practically powerless against it: while psychiatry has managed to get itself a bad name as it has been (and still is) weaponized and used against political dissidents and as a form of stripping personhood, credibility and rights, “psychopathy” is a loose “label”, which is, as far as I know, not a formal clinical diagnosis (i.e. entailing treatment, and in extreme cases containment, as other disorders do). But even if it had all the prerequisites to become an official diagnosis, how realistic is it to “cure” this type of "evil", since medicine is about curing? And who could the one to introduce such a proposition?

There is a major issue, rarely discussed: Most people exhibit “top-down” thinking, while a minority exhibits “bottom up” thinking. While top-down thinking is geared towards speed, efficiency and the so-called “big picture”, bottom up thinking is geared towards accuracy, precision, detail and towards pinpointing inconsistencies, at the expense of speed. It is like an “evolutionary trade-off.” Well, the supposed “big picture” may actually be a misnomer, as rarely people do see the big picture (as systemic thinkers do) since the majority, paradoxically assuming themselves as seeing the big picture, are in fact confirming their biases and/or narratives. Top down thinking relies heavily on assumptions (general to specific) and -because of that- bias, while bottom up on detail and structured data (specific to general). In this respect, it is expected that most people, as “top-down thinkers”, being born and educated within this, say, psychopathic organization of society (a sick environment), lack the cognitive substratum required (either inherent, inherited or acquired) to question the logos and raison d’ etre of the “system” at all its levels, as their biological “default” cognitive platform is to likely assume that this is the “normal” and has always been like that: top down thinking is geared towards “social cohesion” at the expense of accuracy. Consequently, speech becomes incoherent, confused, contradictory and eventually corrupt.

It is also expected that even scientists will be tempted to “fit the world in their models” and not vice versa, and I believe that the species suffers from lack of bottom up thinkers. What seemed to be “selected for” then (speed, efficiency), seems now to be “selected against” in an unpredictable world, where what would otherwise be called “noise” and would be “filtered out” for the aim of making quick decisions and ensure social cohesion, now could be called “missing out critical data” in a world that increasingly moves in non-linear patterns.

I would like to add that from the perspective of social ontology “international law” is a convention which the strong use at their discretion and the weak appeal to in times of distress. There is no such thing as “international law”. As you too have remarked, every known human society/culture exhibits in-group/outgroup behaviour, so, in this respect, international law (“universal”) is a contradiction in terms. Just another story that humans have invented, and it appears to be against biology too.

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